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		<title>Comment on “Not the usual stuff in the guidebooks” by Jeremy Head</title>
		<link>http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/2012/04/not-the-usual-stuff-in-the-guidebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree! One additional though though. I think this trend is about other people as much as anything. Some places do rest on their laurels because they are in guidebooks it&#039;s true, but the impetous to cover &#039;undiscovered&#039; places is to do with other tourists NOT having discovered them so your experience is that much more &#039;authentic&#039;. That&#039;s what we&#039;re all looking for. And the newspapers and magazines are just pandering to this desire. Let&#039;s face it - the &#039;best&#039; tapas bar in Seville might serve amazing food - but it&#039;s going to be pretty crap if it&#039;s stuffed with other tourists - particularly if they&#039;re from some country other my own! (ugh)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree! One additional though though. I think this trend is about other people as much as anything. Some places do rest on their laurels because they are in guidebooks it&#8217;s true, but the impetous to cover &#8216;undiscovered&#8217; places is to do with other tourists NOT having discovered them so your experience is that much more &#8216;authentic&#8217;. That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re all looking for. And the newspapers and magazines are just pandering to this desire. Let&#8217;s face it &#8211; the &#8216;best&#8217; tapas bar in Seville might serve amazing food &#8211; but it&#8217;s going to be pretty crap if it&#8217;s stuffed with other tourists &#8211; particularly if they&#8217;re from some country other my own! (ugh)</p>
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		<title>Comment on “Not the usual stuff in the guidebooks” by Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/2012/04/not-the-usual-stuff-in-the-guidebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by.

Arianwen: I totally agree, and that&#039;s what I always try to do. Guidebooks need to recommend a restaurant and hotel, say, near the best museum in town. Of course. But not *every* place to eat they recommend needs to be there. It&#039;s absolutely in every brief for every guidebook I&#039;ve ever written that we are to seek out what&#039;s best, new, unusual, away from the well-trodden piazzas, whatever... the only proviso being that it be *good* and a realistic proposition for a visitor.

Mary: right. And the more times you visit somewhere, the luckier you get at finding those places...

David: I bet you&#039;re right... most readers of most newspaper articles are either: 1. just browsing for entertainment value; or 2. planning a trip somewhere they haven&#039;t been before. Just like most readers of most guidebooks. And I&#039;ve never taken a brief for writing a guidebook that I&#039;m &quot;only to cover the touristy places&quot;. Quite the opposite. Eds who brief me on books also want what&#039;s new etc... as long as it&#039;s good and makes sense as a recommendation (and, of course, it needs a touch more longevity built in). Those Florence one-pagers I mention in the piece were in fact way more &quot;touristy&quot; or cliched than the chapter in my most recent guidebook, I&#039;d argue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by.</p>
<p>Arianwen: I totally agree, and that&#8217;s what I always try to do. Guidebooks need to recommend a restaurant and hotel, say, near the best museum in town. Of course. But not *every* place to eat they recommend needs to be there. It&#8217;s absolutely in every brief for every guidebook I&#8217;ve ever written that we are to seek out what&#8217;s best, new, unusual, away from the well-trodden piazzas, whatever&#8230; the only proviso being that it be *good* and a realistic proposition for a visitor.</p>
<p>Mary: right. And the more times you visit somewhere, the luckier you get at finding those places&#8230;</p>
<p>David: I bet you&#8217;re right&#8230; most readers of most newspaper articles are either: 1. just browsing for entertainment value; or 2. planning a trip somewhere they haven&#8217;t been before. Just like most readers of most guidebooks. And I&#8217;ve never taken a brief for writing a guidebook that I&#8217;m &#8220;only to cover the touristy places&#8221;. Quite the opposite. Eds who brief me on books also want what&#8217;s new etc&#8230; as long as it&#8217;s good and makes sense as a recommendation (and, of course, it needs a touch more longevity built in). Those Florence one-pagers I mention in the piece were in fact way more &#8220;touristy&#8221; or cliched than the chapter in my most recent guidebook, I&#8217;d argue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on “Not the usual stuff in the guidebooks” by Mary Novakovich</title>
		<link>http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/2012/04/not-the-usual-stuff-in-the-guidebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Novakovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Donald and David. I&#039;ve written enough 48 Hours in... articles to know how difficult it is to pinpoint only two, maybe three restaurants. Nine times out of 10 I&#039;ve found a place that isn&#039;t in a guidebook and one I&#039;ve discovered through trusted recommendations and, more importantly, through stumbling upon a truly wonderful place that just gets overlooked (easily done). And that usually takes repeated visits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Donald and David. I&#8217;ve written enough 48 Hours in&#8230; articles to know how difficult it is to pinpoint only two, maybe three restaurants. Nine times out of 10 I&#8217;ve found a place that isn&#8217;t in a guidebook and one I&#8217;ve discovered through trusted recommendations and, more importantly, through stumbling upon a truly wonderful place that just gets overlooked (easily done). And that usually takes repeated visits.</p>
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		<title>Comment on “Not the usual stuff in the guidebooks” by David Whitley</title>
		<link>http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/2012/04/not-the-usual-stuff-in-the-guidebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>David Whitley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, well said sir. I find the travel media far too obsessed with what&#039;s cool, hip and new rather than what&#039;s new. Part of that is the nature of media - have to find what the story is - but part is a giant pissing contest amongst editors who all want to prove to their contemporaries (and themselves) that they&#039;re not failures for doing travel rather than proper sections of the paper.

You&#039;re right with a lot of those 48 hours/ 1,500 word guide pieces too. For FIRST TIME visitors, the touristy stuff that&#039;s in the guidebooks is almost certainly what they&#039;re after (perhaps with an unusual bar or restaurant that isn&#039;t touristy and overpriced thrown in). On the whole, the stuff that&#039;s in the guide books is there for a reason.

The travel media could do with a good deal of either depretencing (I just invented that word, I&#039;m having it) or being honest and admitting that they&#039;re largely aiming at second/ third/ fourth time visitors. But I bet the majority of the readers aren&#039;t in that category, and admitting that your readers aren&#039;t all that smart and savvy doesn&#039;t appeal to ad buyers flogging expensive watches and handbags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, well said sir. I find the travel media far too obsessed with what&#8217;s cool, hip and new rather than what&#8217;s new. Part of that is the nature of media &#8211; have to find what the story is &#8211; but part is a giant pissing contest amongst editors who all want to prove to their contemporaries (and themselves) that they&#8217;re not failures for doing travel rather than proper sections of the paper.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right with a lot of those 48 hours/ 1,500 word guide pieces too. For FIRST TIME visitors, the touristy stuff that&#8217;s in the guidebooks is almost certainly what they&#8217;re after (perhaps with an unusual bar or restaurant that isn&#8217;t touristy and overpriced thrown in). On the whole, the stuff that&#8217;s in the guide books is there for a reason.</p>
<p>The travel media could do with a good deal of either depretencing (I just invented that word, I&#8217;m having it) or being honest and admitting that they&#8217;re largely aiming at second/ third/ fourth time visitors. But I bet the majority of the readers aren&#8217;t in that category, and admitting that your readers aren&#8217;t all that smart and savvy doesn&#8217;t appeal to ad buyers flogging expensive watches and handbags.</p>
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		<title>Comment on “Not the usual stuff in the guidebooks” by Arianwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arianwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting conundrum. I think you have to strike a balance. You need to cover the popular sights because, as you say, some people are only going to be there for a short time, and those sites are popular for a reason. But, I love a guidebook that intersperses that with tips on places that are less well known. Then the reader can make their own mind up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting conundrum. I think you have to strike a balance. You need to cover the popular sights because, as you say, some people are only going to be there for a short time, and those sites are popular for a reason. But, I love a guidebook that intersperses that with tips on places that are less well known. Then the reader can make their own mind up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Truly Fair Tax on Flying by Time to start asking questions about tax &#124; Grumpy Traveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time to start asking questions about tax &#124; Grumpy Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fuel – which is not taxed at all – at the same rate as other fuel. As Donald Strachan suggests, the domestic travel industry is essentially subsidising the foreign travel industry. And surely that should be the other way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fuel – which is not taxed at all – at the same rate as other fuel. As Donald Strachan suggests, the domestic travel industry is essentially subsidising the foreign travel industry. And surely that should be the other way [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The price of ethics by DonaldS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonaldS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam:

&gt; Usually, the stuff they pay for isn’t the story anyway, I’m not there to write about a hotel or flight, after all, I’m there for something else and I just need the hotel or flight so I can be at the place to write the story.

100% true that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam:</p>
<p>&gt; Usually, the stuff they pay for isn’t the story anyway, I’m not there to write about a hotel or flight, after all, I’m there for something else and I just need the hotel or flight so I can be at the place to write the story.</p>
<p>100% true that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The price of ethics by DonaldS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonaldS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart: yes, I did. Only used it over Wi-Fi (micro-SIM in the post), but very impressed. Feeling it was £400 well spent... so far. But, yeah, essentially I chucked £400 away on a point of principle... but an important point, I reckon.

Pam: thanks for stopping by. I didn&#039;t really stray into hosting and funding issues... mostly because (a) it&#039;s complicated and (b) it&#039;s been done... to death. The issue for me here was accepting a gift and/or essentially being a paid contractor/employee/brand ambassador for a product that&#039;s on my reporting beat. I have *major* problems with those. If I&#039;&#039;d wanted to review this phone, I&#039;d have requested a loaner. (Travel, eating. drinking is a little different; you really need to *consume* those to review them.)

 If I&#039;d taken the promo unit, you&#039;d probably never have spotted the influence of that gift in my writing. But I&#039;m pretty certain it&#039;d be there. Writers have to be ethical enough to say no... and that&#039;s *even more* so for independent writers. You don&#039;t have a century or so of brand trust to draw on, as nationals, magazines, etc. do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart: yes, I did. Only used it over Wi-Fi (micro-SIM in the post), but very impressed. Feeling it was £400 well spent&#8230; so far. But, yeah, essentially I chucked £400 away on a point of principle&#8230; but an important point, I reckon.</p>
<p>Pam: thanks for stopping by. I didn&#8217;t really stray into hosting and funding issues&#8230; mostly because (a) it&#8217;s complicated and (b) it&#8217;s been done&#8230; to death. The issue for me here was accepting a gift and/or essentially being a paid contractor/employee/brand ambassador for a product that&#8217;s on my reporting beat. I have *major* problems with those. If I&#8221;d wanted to review this phone, I&#8217;d have requested a loaner. (Travel, eating. drinking is a little different; you really need to *consume* those to review them.)</p>
<p> If I&#8217;d taken the promo unit, you&#8217;d probably never have spotted the influence of that gift in my writing. But I&#8217;m pretty certain it&#8217;d be there. Writers have to be ethical enough to say no&#8230; and that&#8217;s *even more* so for independent writers. You don&#8217;t have a century or so of brand trust to draw on, as nationals, magazines, etc. do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The price of ethics by Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you buy one in the end Donald?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you buy one in the end Donald?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The price of ethics by Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Went along, got the sales spiel. As per T &amp; Cs they own all your images. Thanked them and left.  Not getting pics of my daughter for their ads.  Pity as it&#039;s a really nice looking phone and I was hoping, rather unethically, to give it to my Dad for his Xmas pressie...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Went along, got the sales spiel. As per T &amp; Cs they own all your images. Thanked them and left.  Not getting pics of my daughter for their ads.  Pity as it&#8217;s a really nice looking phone and I was hoping, rather unethically, to give it to my Dad for his Xmas pressie&#8230;</p>
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