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		<title>By: Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/2010/03/guidebook-or-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments all. I agree, basically.

Another thing, too. Guidebook entries would be *so much easier* to win than national newspaper coverage, surely? I get oodles of releases about luxury hotels from PRs who quite clearly have never read anything I write, and mist be desperate. I have *never* written, any more than in passing, about luxury travel. What a waste of their time and resource; most of the senders are now automatically marked as spam by my email filters. In essence, there are hundreds of contenders scrapping over very limited space in national media slots.

However, how easy would it be to put together a list of guidebook writers specialising in, say, Madrid and thereby try to secure entry into the new editions of all the major guidebooks? Publishers, on the whole, stick with their author unless s/he has totally loused up the last submission. You could secure long term, repeat business on the ground by getting into all the big guides (Nielsen will tell you which those are very quickly); and, like Annie says, also find your way into national press &#039;by the back door&#039;. It&#039;s completely mystifying to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments all. I agree, basically.</p>
<p>Another thing, too. Guidebook entries would be *so much easier* to win than national newspaper coverage, surely? I get oodles of releases about luxury hotels from PRs who quite clearly have never read anything I write, and mist be desperate. I have *never* written, any more than in passing, about luxury travel. What a waste of their time and resource; most of the senders are now automatically marked as spam by my email filters. In essence, there are hundreds of contenders scrapping over very limited space in national media slots.</p>
<p>However, how easy would it be to put together a list of guidebook writers specialising in, say, Madrid and thereby try to secure entry into the new editions of all the major guidebooks? Publishers, on the whole, stick with their author unless s/he has totally loused up the last submission. You could secure long term, repeat business on the ground by getting into all the big guides (Nielsen will tell you which those are very quickly); and, like Annie says, also find your way into national press &#8216;by the back door&#8217;. It&#8217;s completely mystifying to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Head</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great minds? I have been asking myself exactly the same question as I update my guidebook to Seville. Why are tour cos and PRs so disinterested in guidebook mentions compared to newspapers ones? As Annie concurs above.  
I am personally convinced that it&#039;s about the transitory nature of PR and the way people generally would rather crow about a short term showy gain than a long term gain of real value. By the time a punter picks up and uses my guidebook the PR agency may well no longer be working for that client anyway. Clients get all excited by a mention in The Times or wherever. That kind of stuff makes it look like the PR is doing a great job.
And the theory probably also goes that because a guide book is inclusive by nature (ie I want to include as many places as possible) rather than being selective (ie I want to just choose the very best places for a travel feature) chances are a guidebook writer will include my client anyway... no need to work on them to do it.
I HAVE to post myself about this! It&#039;s really got me thinking! Thanks!
J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great minds? I have been asking myself exactly the same question as I update my guidebook to Seville. Why are tour cos and PRs so disinterested in guidebook mentions compared to newspapers ones? As Annie concurs above.<br />
I am personally convinced that it&#8217;s about the transitory nature of PR and the way people generally would rather crow about a short term showy gain than a long term gain of real value. By the time a punter picks up and uses my guidebook the PR agency may well no longer be working for that client anyway. Clients get all excited by a mention in The Times or wherever. That kind of stuff makes it look like the PR is doing a great job.<br />
And the theory probably also goes that because a guide book is inclusive by nature (ie I want to include as many places as possible) rather than being selective (ie I want to just choose the very best places for a travel feature) chances are a guidebook writer will include my client anyway&#8230; no need to work on them to do it.<br />
I HAVE to post myself about this! It&#8217;s really got me thinking! Thanks!<br />
J</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/2010/03/guidebook-or-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For hotels, being in a guidebook like Time Out, where the accommodation listings are more extensive than most, must usually be more useful than a single mention in an article - unless perhaps when the hotel is talked about a lot in the article rather than just the factbox. My experience in Spain is that tourist boards and pr firms couldn&#039;t care less about guidebooks but fall at your feet for a mention a national paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For hotels, being in a guidebook like Time Out, where the accommodation listings are more extensive than most, must usually be more useful than a single mention in an article &#8211; unless perhaps when the hotel is talked about a lot in the article rather than just the factbox. My experience in Spain is that tourist boards and pr firms couldn&#8217;t care less about guidebooks but fall at your feet for a mention a national paper.</p>
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		<title>By: melissashales</title>
		<link>http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/2010/03/guidebook-or-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>melissashales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hackneye Add that many newspaper journos doing round-up pieces source material from the guidebooks, and guides live on in libraries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hackneye Add that many newspaper journos doing round-up pieces source material from the guidebooks, and guides live on in libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: hackneye</title>
		<link>http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/2010/03/guidebook-or-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>hackneye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mention in a guidebook versus mention in a newspaper: which is more valuable? http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/20... (A little roundup c/o me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mention in a guidebook versus mention in a newspaper: which is more valuable? <a href="http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/20.." rel="nofollow">http://www.donaldstrachan.com/archive/20..</a>. (A little roundup c/o me.)</p>
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